In this episode, Bree Noble dives into the crucial topic of mental health support for musicians with guest Jenny Flora Wells, a licensed social worker specializing in trauma therapy for artists. Discover how mental health is foundational to your success and well-being as a musician. Jenny shares her journey and expertise, shedding light on the unique challenges faced by artists and the importance of holistic therapy. Learn about innovative approaches like EMDR and somatic therapy that can help you thrive creatively while maintaining your mental health. Tune in for invaluable insights and resources tailored for the artist community.

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Holistic Mental Health Support For Musicians With Jenny Flora Wells

I am here with Jenny Flora Wells and we’re going to be talking about mental health. Now, you may have heard me say on the podcast, because this is The Profitable Musician. We’re talking about how to be profitable as a musician, but you cannot be profitable if you do not have your health. Health is wealth and that is both physical health and mental health.

You cannot operate as an artist if you’re struggling in either one of these areas, you cannot be at your peak performance. That’s why I thought it was important that we talked about this subject today. Jenny Flora Wells has a background in social work and also working with artists, doing trauma therapy, and all that stuff. We’re going to talk a little bit about that. First, Jenny, you want to give them just a background on yourself, as an artist and then as far as the area that you’ve chosen to go into and why.

Thank you so much for having me today, Bree. I’m very excited to be here. As Bree said, I’m Jenny Flora Wells. I am a licensed social worker in Ohio and then an associate clinical social worker in California. I am working on launching my private practice here soon in California focusing on trauma artists, creatives, actors, and musicians.

I’ve loved working with this type of population, especially musicians due to my background and where I come from. I am an adoptee and with that and with my own lived experience I have found so much deep healing from vocal performance and music. My birth mother was big into music. I think she was a band groupie for quite a few years and I think there’s something there in our blood that translated to me as an individual.

So music has always resonated with me. It’s always been a very healing experience to hear other people’s lived experiences and backgrounds through music and being able to express myself, through that type of creativity specifically. The vocal performance was very healing for me up until college. I almost pursued it but I chose not to.

I wanted it to be something that I could do as my soul searching and my healing. I did choose to go in a different direction, but it’s very interesting to see how our passions and our paths re-emerge and cross again. It’s been lovely to specialize and work with artists and musicians specifically. I hope that answered your question.

It does and I think it’s great to have somebody who can do therapy with artists that understand the artist’s mentality, the artist’s temperament because we are a little bit different. I’m looking at your bio and I’m just. Just to demystify all these acronyms. Can you just let them know what is an MSW, LSW, or ACSW? Did they ever come into contact with those?

I know all the letters with mental health clinicians and therapists can be confusing. A lot of them equate to the same thing. They’re just a different degree or discipline. MSW specifically is a Master of Social Work. It is typically one to two years in school to get your master’s in social work. LSW specifically is the level one, I guess you could say license in Ohio for social workers to be licensed. Again, for each state, that’s going to look a little bit different. So for other states, it might look like LMSW. Other ones are CSW too. It’s confusing, but yes, Licensed Social Worker.

Then LCSW stands for Licensed Clinical Social Worker. LCSW or LISW in other states means that the individual can practice independently. That’s what I’m working towards right now. The ACSW, the one that is in my name currently, is that baby step to LCSW. Your Associate Clinical Social Work license takes 3000 hours. For me, it took two years and I’ll be able to test soon for my LCSW and that’s when that will change if that makes sense.

Got it. You also call yourself a Holistic Therapist. What does that entail?

Holistic Therapy Approach

I specifically phrase it as a Holistic Therapist just to explain to people what my approach is as a therapist and the therapy that I provide. The word holistic points to seeing the individual as a whole person. In my practice, I’m passionate about, especially working with artists, and this is especially important. Understanding the fact that the individual coming into the therapy session is not just somebody who’s just dealing with this certain isolated mental health issue.

Even though that is a large part of the picture. This individual is also a mosaic of history, ancestral background, and intergenerational trauma. This person is affected by financial insecurity possibly, or how does food insecurity come into the picture? What about their relationships and their connections with others? How do they express themselves? All of these things come to shape the individual in their life.

It’s important to me, especially where I’ve come from in my own lived experience to approach therapy in that holistic lens. Seeing the individual as more than just a diagnosis. I carry this into the approaches that I offer in my practice, which approach trauma therapy and what the individual wants to work on from a body-based root cause level.

The specific approaches that I love to offer and interweave and offer an eclectic lens for each client are EMDR, which is Eye Movement, Desensitization, and Reprocessing therapy. I love to use somatic therapy, which is a body-based technique. This can be great for artists and creatives too. I love Internal Family Systems. Sometimes this is called IFS or parts work as well.

Of course with that, I interweave other things that could be beneficial for the individual client, whether that be more psycho-education, visual learning, meditation, or more activities outside of sessions. What does that look like? What does the community look like for the individual? That’s summed up in a little summary of what I offer in my practice and the value that I find in the holistic approach.

That’s very cool. I have a client who recently did EMDR and that was completely new to me. I’d never heard of it. She was explaining to me how it works and she said that it helped her. She went into it as a total skeptic too. It helped her deal with some traumas. Maybe you could explain that a little bit since that is the newest thing that’s coming. I’ve seen it a lot. Ever since she told me that I’ve been seeing it around a lot. Maybe explain that to the other artists who are reading this.

Yes, I’d love to. I know even coming from somebody who was a client before I became a therapist, all of these little letters and acronyms are confusing. EMDR, as I said, is Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy. That’s what it stands for. It utilizes bilateral movements where we engage with the right and the left hemispheres of the brain to reprocess trauma or distressing memories.

Specifically why this works, because I know a lot of individuals who say, “What? This sounds too good to be true.” or “This sounds silly.” or “I feel silly doing it.” Which is valid. What we are doing is recreating what happens when we are moving through REM sleep and our sleep cycle at nighttime. REM sleep is Rapid Eye Movement of our eyes moving back and forth processing our experiences from the day, focusing on rest and digestion. Repairing the body, and all of that.

We are utilizing that bilateral movement of moving back and forth to reprocess the individual target or distressing event that we’re zooming in on. Another thing I want to touch on with EMDR that a lot of people ask about is they say, “It’s eye movement desensitization. Does that mean that we’re just doing your eyes moving back and forth?”

Originally the clinician who developed EMDR thought it was just eye movement. As the research continued to expand, they realized that it was the movement of moving back and forth on the right and left hemispheres of the brain or the body. That is what is processing the specific trauma that you’re trying to work through.

That’s great for people who might resonate with something different. I utilize tapping in my practice, tapping back and forth. My musicians love auditory cues. Going from left to right in their ears using headphones. I have some people who do a combination. Especially those people who are into rhythm and patterns. They might like the tapping and the music. They might like the eye movement. There have also been some studies recently about interweaving dance movement therapy with EMDR.

What does it look like to dance in a certain way or pattern where we’re initiating with the right and the left hemispheres of the brain and the body? It’s very interesting and it’s quite the process too. It’s like eight phases and you move through them and it does a beautiful job of helping to build up the client with nervous system regulation techniques and different coping skills that can be helpful before moving into that reprocessing phase. I’ve seen a lot of great benefits in my practice of utilizing EMDR.

I’ve got an odd question for you. Do you need to have good vision in both of your eyes to be able to do it? I have no vision in one eye and low vision in the other eye. It made me wonder if you could even do the therapy without vision.

That’s why I mentioned how Francine Shapiro, the clinician who developed EMDR realized that it wasn’t just eye movement. I have some people, as well as myself, who I’ve done EMDR many times. I don’t like the eye movement. I find it too stimulating, and I know other people can find it that way too. It can be possible for somebody who is visually impaired or might not prefer eye movements to utilize the tapping, utilize the auditory cues. You can keep your eyes closed during the entire reprocessing phase if that’s what resonates for you, which is great.

Differences In Working With Artists

Interesting. That’s good to know. I’m curious, do you find that working with artists is somehow different from working with the general public? Do you feel like artists maybe have put mental health on the back burner or I feel there’s this mentality of the tortured artist or, the tortured poet or whatever and it’s part of being an artist? We feel if we are to get healthy mentally, that we will lose some of our creative edge.

I hear that and I think that’s a topic that I’ve seen come up in the research that I’ve done around artists and mental health, and mind you, the research of the intersection between artists, musicians, actors, and mental health is very slim. As I’m sure other people might know who are reading this, which is one of the reasons why I love specializing with this population because it’s just not talked about.

Being any type of artist, we are offering another level of vulnerability that people in traditional career roles typically are not doing, if that makes sense. We are reaching beautifully. In a lot of ways we offer a certain level of vulnerability to the people who are listening to our music or who are consuming the art that we create to speak to them and to share our story.

That’s the beautiful part of it and what comes with that is a lot of hurt. In a lot of settings too, that we’re seeing coming to the surface in the media is a lot of abusive work situations, being taken advantage of due to this connection to vulnerability and passion. Individuals who pursue art in any part of the industry. For a lot of people, it’s from our passion for it.

With that, what we need to zone in on, which is big in my practice too, is what healthy boundaries look like with ourselves, with these environments that we are working in. What I have seen that a lot of artists have heard from other therapists or coaches that they have worked with is, “You need to leave the industry.” People love what they’re doing. I get it. It’s certain situations that become too much, pushing on those boundaries and difficult situations.

How can we meet ourselves in the middle and find that balance between that beautiful vulnerability that we’re giving with the art that we’re creating, while also having those healthy boundaries with ourselves and utilizing the things that, I bring into my practice that I think are so important that help individuals find that nervous system regulation so we can integrate that.

If we are sensing those feelings of burnout, sensing those feelings of anxiety, stress, or exhaustion. For me, it’s how can we meet the individual where they’re at and help them with their unique journey of being an artist and becoming an artist, and finding that balance between the beauty and the vulnerability while also being mindful of when it becomes too much. I don’t know if I answered your question specifically, but I did want to cover that.

Identifying Mental Health Struggles

It’s true. Not many other professions are putting yourself out there, making yourself that vulnerable, and it can open up things that you might not realize it’s doing when you do that. Are there any warning signs? How can people tell if they’re having a struggle with their mental health if maybe they don’t know what to look for or they’ve just always been that temperament and maybe it’s just piling up or something? I see so many artists, that you hear in the news that this person just committed suicide. Are there any warning signs? Did they know that they were coming up against this?

That’s such a great question, Bree. The thing that is so difficult about it is, it’s so complex an individual, to the unique person that we’re talking about. I think that for individuals who are reading today asking what signs can I look for within myself? You are your own best expert. You know yourself the best. You know that these changes are shifting within you mentally and even physically can be a message from your body to listen to.

I think that, especially with burnout, when we’re talking about artists and these incredibly overbearing work schedules, work conditions, and constantly the need to show up because we want to be successful. We want to get our art out there. What I want to bring to people’s attention is the different survival states of the nervous system.

I know this has been coming up in the media more, which I think is great, but it is fight, flight, or freeze. These are great internal predictors that we can isolate within ourselves when they’re coming up for us. Specifically, if we’re feeling a certain level of exhaustion, feeling frozen or depressed, that’s the “Freeze state.” Our nervous system feels so immobilized.

This is where a lot of people express those feelings, “I just feel so depressed.” “I can’t function the way that I used to.” “I feel exhausted.” “I feel like there’s no reason for me to show up today.” These are the signs and symptoms of this freeze response that’s going on in the nervous system. Then moving up from there, because it’s an evolutionary type of ladder that we look at with these survival states.

There’s the fight or flight response of feeling hypervigilant and activated. Feeling like, “I’m so anxious.” “I just feel like I need to continue to keep doing this and trying to find a solution and trying to figure it out.” It’s either that or I just feel I need to run away from it. This is what we can see in therapy. I call these “The Firefighters.”

This is an Internal Family System, but this is where we have those things coming out like addictive tendencies. I know that we see a lot in the music industry as substance use issues as a way to numb our emotions that are coming up and the stress that we are experiencing because it takes that edge off for us. Of course, with these firefighter or addictive types of impulsive intuitions that come out within us, this can go beyond substance use.

This can be overconsumption. This can be an addiction to shopping or an addiction to our phones. I know social media is huge as well. The other state of the nervous system is called Ventral Vagal, and it’s feeling socially connected and relaxed, and the ability to get in touch with those flow states that we see in the beautiful parts of music. When we do feel connected to ourselves and the art that we’re creating and just feel that creativity is overflowing, it’s this beautiful experience.

I like to bring that idea of the survival states and ventral vagal feeling socially connected and connected to the self and people’s attention because it is so individual for people. What we notice within ourselves when we’re struggling with mental health issues and possibly the signs of burnout and stress and where we can go from there.

There’s fight, flight, or freeze. Freeze does sound like depression, but is there some lower version of that which is like, I’m bored and uninspired? Is that a sign of a mental health issue, or do we just go through those cycles as creatives?

With boredom, with that writer’s block or that creativity block that I think a lot of people experience, I like to approach that as a message from the body and the brain that we’re receiving. Let’s look into that a little bit more. This is where my eclectic modalities come into play with therapy. What I just mentioned with Internal Family Systems is important.

Internal Family Systems specifically bring our awareness to the complexities of the mind and these different parts of us that come out during different times in our lives. For example, if you brought up boredom or writer’s block. We would zoom in on that and say that this is something that’s coming up for you. Maybe you’re experiencing some frustration with that, some irritation that this is present for you.

Let’s zoom in a little bit and focus on what this part would even look like as you’re experiencing it. As we start to personify this part, a great example of this is the movie Inside Out. Personifying this part into a little character or something separate from us so that we can pinpoint in different ways, where could this be coming from? How is this tied to childhood? In a very simple way, we go much more in-depth.

When does this come up for you? Does it come up during the day? Maybe at a certain time during the day where you’re feeling a certain type of resistance or a heavier amount of stress or we’re able to pinpoint more, where that could be coming from for the individual and what meaning that brings out as well. Simply though, I would encourage people to ask themselves.

The questions that we do as we’re journaling. This boredom is coming up. What does this look like for me? What emotions is this bringing up? Where is this coming up in my body? What would this look like if it were transformed into a visual? Seeing it as a visual. We start to bring out more of those messages from the body and the brain that it’s trying to send us with these mental health symptoms that are coming up for us.

That could advance into apathy and depression if you can nip that in the bud early on.

For me too, in my practice, it’s helping people understand that the more that we can become that curious observer of the brain and the body and these things that are coming up for us, the less we feel the intuition to push away these mental health symptoms that we’re experiencing because we’re seeing them more as a message and as something to work with and to have compassion for rather than something to push away.

That’s where the true healing happens that I see in my practice too when we can mindfully and in a very purposeful and safe environment. Come and sit with that a little bit. What does that look like to get to know these different parts of us? My artists resonate with IFS somatic work and EMDR because there’s a lot of artistic expression within that too. Being able to artistically express their mental health can be empowering.

This makes total sense because a lot of artists write music for their mental health. They need to get this stuff out, and they can’t say it to someone, but they can write it in a song.

It resonates with other people and it’s like a ripple effect. It becomes more of transforming the emotions and the lived experience of being human. I agree, yes.

Collaborative Therapy Process

Makes sense. We’ve talked a lot about the kinds of therapy that you do and the kinds of therapy that you can help artists with. When someone comes to you as an artist, how do you figure out what might be the first or next thing to try for that particular person?

I am very person-centered. That’s a specific approach that some therapists offer in their practice. What that means is seeing the client as the expert. Which is very important. It’s very important to me that anything that I implement in therapy, it’s a collaborative process. It always starts as a conversation on the first session, what are we trying to work on but also what resonates for you? What’s your learning style? What does this look like for you?

The way that I look at it too is in treatment planning with therapy, our little roadmap to healing. I always tell people that it is a living document and being human, things evolve and change in the most beautiful ways. Over time, our treatment plan and our roadmap can always change too. I always give people the opportunity to voice what is feeling good in therapy, what they might want to tweak, and what they want to say yes or no to.

Sometimes we do something in therapy that is like pushing past the window of tolerance. “I’m just not feeling this today.” Sometimes we have days when we’ve dealt with a lot of stuff in our daily lives and just want to talk about it instead of doing EMDR, or I just look to the individual client and have it be a very collaborative process. Even if I think something would be beneficial at the end of the day, it’s empowering the client to help them make that choice of what feels best.

Which is interesting. If you think about physical therapy. I’ve never had physical therapy, but everyone I’ve talked to who has had it, they’re pushing you way beyond what you think you can do, and you are sore. How does that translate into mental health? You’re saying that you don’t want to push someone to do something they don’t feel comfortable with. Do you feel you do need to try to encourage them to do that to expand sometimes?

We do implement that in therapy in a lot of ways and encouraging people and expressing that this would be beneficial if you would be open to it. When we are working with survivors of trauma, it’s very important to not force the individual to do something even if we think it would be beneficial because therapy needs to be a place where it, at least in my mind, is a very collaborative process. There are moments where we are encouraging the individual and I guess pushing in a very compassionate way.

From the perspective of someone who is licensed and trained and knows what could help.

With people who have experienced trauma, and especially artists too, tend to be affected by different types of trauma. I have just always found it very beneficial to have a collaborative space and even talk with the client, this is a conversation that I like to have with people, “What do you prefer in therapy?” Some people don’t necessarily want to be pushed but they want to share a space. It depends on what the individual’s goals are and then continuously checking in to see what’s feeling good, what we need to work on, and what that looks like.

That makes sense and then on the side of, as we would call it, preventive maintenance. We don’t want to wait until we’re in a mental health crisis to get help. Just like we don’t want to wait until we have diabetes to cut out the sugar or wait till we’re at 300 pounds to go to the gym. How do we know when we should go? Do you believe everybody should be in some kind of therapy?

That’s a great question. I love these questions you’re asking, Bree. I think these are questions that a lot of people are asking themselves and what this looks like. While I do think everybody could benefit from therapy, I am also aware that therapy can be very inaccessible to the general public, especially for some of our artists who are dealing with financial insecurity and have busy schedules.

Sometimes that doesn’t match up with individuals that we feel resonate for us, or there are a lot of different variables. With what we’ve already talked about checking in with the mind and the body and these signs that are coming up for us. Maybe these shifts in how we are usually feeling as signs that, possibly we’re dealing with something that could be a little bit more than just daily stress.

We’re talking about accessibility and also things that people can do before diving into therapy. I see so much benefit in gentle practices on a daily or weekly basis based on what is best for the client’s routine. The practices that I’ve found to be the most beneficial are journaling, meditation, and yoga. I know these are the things that I feel like so many clinicians talk about.

What people don’t know about is the fact that we can start as small as five minutes a day and it is incredibly effective. Our subconscious mind does not know what is real or what’s fake at the end of the day. If we are doing some gentle movement where we’re able to get in touch with the body, or we’re doing a guided visualization on an app like Insight Timer that I love. It’s a free meditation app with thousands of different choices.

I have a musician client who was on Insight Timer and she was doing live streams and stuff like that and had a community and everything in there.

Yes, it’s incredible and it’s a free resource that I love to utilize and recommend to people. I just love to encourage people. When people talk about meditation, yoga, and all of these things that we know are beneficial, I want you to know that it’s not something that we have to do for hours a day to see the benefits. That’s where we get the eye rolls, which I understand.

It’s so valid because how am I supposed to sit in silence when my life is filled with all of these things that I need to do? I need to work on my songs, I need to work with this agent, do this, and do that. I have so many things on my checklist. Truly, it is these baby steps, these short blurbs of practice that are just as effective as hours of practice.

It is these short blurbs that are getting our nervous system and our brain acclimated to these types of practices over time so our system basically can understand that this is a moment for me to focus on relaxation, centering into the body, centering into these things that are coming up for me, so I can gain that deeper understanding.

I recommend those practices to anybody who wants to start a journey or even just check in with themselves about what their mental health looks like for them individually and ways to make that accessible. I love Insight Timer. There are a lot of great trauma-informed yoga teachers on YouTube. Great classes and sessions on there that I utilize myself if I can’t get to a studio.

With journaling, what does it look like to even just allow yourself to brain dump into the notes app on your phone or a sheet of paper? It can be amazing. The second resource that I wanted to mention that I’ve heard from quite a few people has been beneficial. I haven’t gotten the chance to do it myself yet, but it’s a book called The Artist’s Way.

Yes, I’ve read that. That’s a great book.

If somebody wants to start that journey of that intersection between music, being an artist, mental health, and the creative flow. All of these things go together. That’s a beautiful way that somebody can find some of that accessibility on their own time to dive into that. Shortly, I think everybody can benefit from therapy and I understand that’s not always the case for everybody. How can we bring about accessibility, in different ways for healing?

I’ve had people say to me, “I don’t think therapy can work for me because I’m just too messed up.” “Because I don’t believe it works.” or any of that. Is there any way to get past that with people or do they have to believe that it works for them for it to work?

That’s another heavy-hitter question. It’s difficult and I’m specifically speaking to the people that have had past experiences with therapy, that have been invalidating or maybe have been just ineffective. People have spent a lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot of vulnerability in sharing with the therapist what they want to work on and trying hard to heal.

That’s the difficult piece of therapy that even as a clinician, I just think that we as an industry need to do a much better job in explaining approaches to clients because it truly is about what resonates for the individual. A lot of people have these experiences with traditional therapy, which is typically talk therapy of therapists saying, “How does that make you feel?” “How can you think differently and think more positively?” The reality of that is, if we’re thinking holistically, humans are mosaics. We are musical compositions. We are complex, beautiful beings that consist of so many different things.

With that in mind, telling somebody to just think differently. Let’s be real, it doesn’t work. Even for people who might benefit from it for a temporary period, these are people that we still hear from everywhere who will say, “I think it was beneficial at the moment to have that support and that therapeutic relationship but at the end of the day, I’m still dealing with the trauma that I was dealing with 10 years ago.”

That’s where, rightfully so, we hear from a lot of individuals who will say, “Therapy didn’t work for me.” What I am passionate about expressing to people is, it’s not that therapy wasn’t working for you. It’s that you didn’t have an approach that validated the fact that you are this whole being. There’s more to you than just talking about our issues.

That’s where I think a lot of these body-based techniques and creative approaches and therapy are coming into play. It’s also about finding a therapist that resonates with you and that’s the difficult thing too. A lot of individuals have had experiences with people who were not inclusive, maybe people who were just fostered a very unwelcoming environment.

That’s where people can carry away some of those beliefs with therapy. With that in mind, it’s all about self-determination. At the end of the day, we can’t make somebody do something. That’s where I think that allowing the individual and encouraging other people to start their self-discovery journey on their own first and see how that feels within themselves.

When they feel ready, knowing that they can start therapy when that feels good for them. It is such a complex thing and I wish that I could speak to everybody who wants to have a welcoming, inclusive, and safe space to have therapy in. Encourage them that there are people out there like me who are passionate about holistic therapy and seeing you as more than just a diagnosis or a patient because you’re a beautiful human.

Mental Health Resources For Musicians

That’s awesome. I know you have a TikTok account. Are you creating mental health content on there?

Yes, and I’m still very new, but I am adding more and more. I post TikToks every day and starting to bridge out to more actual content for musicians and artists because I think that’s important. People can check out my website. I have a resources page that I’m continuing to add to that has different hotlines on it that people would find beneficial.

Different apps, free apps, and things that are accessible for individuals, especially during this time. I also have a section of that resource page too, which is all about job search stuff, because I know that’s especially just a big issue right now for individuals with that intersection of mental health too. People are welcome to utilize that and welcome to join me on my TikTok too.

What are those addresses and handles?

Everything is JennyfloraWells and I will give freebie URLs and handles to put in the bio too.

We’ll have it in the show notes, but JennyFloraWells.com and @JennyFloraWells on TikTok.

Yes, correct.

Awesome. Thank you so much. Is there anything else you wanted to say to artists who are reading about the intersection of being an artist with mental health?

A quote that resonates for me and that I always share with people is all about, coming home to ourselves. This is very true for artists at the core is, “Through our music, through the art that we’re creating, it’s all about coming home. It’s all about getting in touch with ourselves.” I want everybody to know who is reading that it’s possible to also start your healing journey and intermix that with the beauty of art and music. Know too that there are clinicians out there who are more and more specializing in musicians specifically.

The last thing that I just thought of that people anywhere who are reading could benefit from is that there’s a website called Backline Care that specializes in mental health care and finding therapists for people in the music industry. I know that I’m a Backline Care clinician and they just do a great job of that intersection. It is the first place that I’ve seen that has case managers on their team who can help people find a therapist who specializes in the industry specifically. That could be a good place to start.

Yes, that’s a great resource. Thanks for that. Thank you so much for everything you shared today. It was helpful and enlightening, especially for me in certain areas of therapy that I didn’t know about. Thank you so much. I know that our readers have learned a ton today.

Thank you so much for having me, Bree.

Important Links

• Jenny Flora Wells – LinkedIn
• JennyFloraWells.com
• TikTok – Jenny Flora Wells
• Instagram – Jenny Flora Wells
• Facebook – Jenny Flora Wells
• The Artist’s Way
• Backline Care

About Jenny Flora Wells

Jenny Flora Wells, MSW, LSW, ACSW